Write CSS OR LESS and hit save. EHRMAN: Paul is very important for understanding the history of heaven and hell, as he's important for understanding most things about early Christian thinking. Let me paint a quick picture for those who have this question; it can be extracted from the bible. I'm Terry Gross, back with Bart Ehrman, author of the new book "Heaven And Hell: A History Of The Afterlife." And they had been raised with the idea that your soul lives on after death, and now they had a Christian model to put it on. They'll be in bodies. For your favorite quotes. Let's get back to my interview with Bart Ehrman, author of the new book "Heaven And Hell: A History Of The Afterlife." and your new renter, What was his vision of what happens after death? Predictions that didn't happen. Our engineer today is Adam Staniszewski. In trying to understand why God created Satan, knowing he would rebel, we should also consider the following facts: 1) Lucifer had a good and perfect purpose before his fall. Those that think "the devil made me do it" are looking for a scapegoat, a way to get off the hook for their own screw-ups. Voltaire argued that the Gospels were fakes, and the teachings of Jesus were fabricated. A Huguenot lover will be able to marry And it's probably not a place that people go to, per se. And the other interesting thing is that what the Gnostics did, by reading their ideas into Jesus, is also what the Orthodox Christians did, by putting words in Jesus' lips that supported their ideas of heaven and hell. Just about the only place in the Hebrew Bible where you get an instance of somebody who has died who seems still to be alive afterwards is in this very strange and interesting passage in the book of 1 Samuel, where the king, Saul, is desperate for some advice from somebody who knows, and so he calls - he has a necromancer, a woman, this woman of Endor, who calls up his former adviser Samuel from the grave. So this is a really important shift for understanding both the history of later Judaism and the history of later Christianity and the historical Jesus. Paul was not a follower of Jesus during his lifetime, during Jesus' lifetime. And now we have the pandemic. However, it coul. But the kids didn't get the memo. Voltaire found this a text that denied the existence of a divine being. Could ever cease to attest to his being, And, of course, none of them stopped to, think or repent of doing so; on the contrary, they considered themselves, entirely within their rights, for Richard had been presented to them as an, object, and they did not even think it necessary to feed him. They will be able to pardon this harsh La Bltrie 4 If you're just joining us, my guest is religion scholar Bart Ehrman, author of the new book "Heaven And Hell: A History Of The Afterlife." Anonymous? I'm wondering if you're hearing that kind of thing, too. When the breath leaves the body, the body no longer lives, but the breath doesn't exist. While Patouillet was insulting me in vain. It is a pleasure to have you back. It comes - Gnosticism, in some ways, comes out of Greek thinking. As for Ehrman's beliefs, as a child, he was an altar boy in the Episcopal Church. Press J to jump to the feed. I always distinguished between religion Voltaires essay on inventing a god if he did not exist paved the way for science fictions use of philosophical irony. GROSS: This is FRESH AIR. And so I don't try to talk people out of their view of heaven, but I think, actually, it's better off, you know, not living for what's going to happen after you die; it's better off living for what you can do now. And so these people who converted to Christianity were principally Greek thinkers, they thought there was a soul that live forever. In the Old Testament, what we would call the soul is really more like what we would call the breath. (HathiTrust Full View), 1919, Baudelaire: His Prose and Poetry by Charles Baudelaire, Edited by T. R. Smith, Series: The Modern Library of the Worlds Best Books, Story: The Generous Player, Translated by Joseph T. Shipley, Start Page 80, Quote Page 82, Boni and Liveright, New York. That became a view somewhat in Judaism, and it became a very pronounced view in Christianity. About 200 before Jesus was born, there was a shift in thinking in ancient Israel that became - it became a form of ideology, a kind of religious thought that scholars today call apocalypticism. My dear elderly mother is a very good Christian, and she believes that she will die and she will go to heaven and she will see her husband. It got put in a grave, or it got put in a pit, and that's what they called Sheol, is the place that your remains are. GROSS: So a lot of the imagery of hell comes from the Book of Revelation. And so Paul thought he would be alive when the end came. The old testament has a fairly uniform and rather stark explanation for why there are plagues or epidemics or pandemics. EHRMAN: That's a really good question. And when people raise their children on this stuff, it can scar them for life. It'd be like paradise. In short, the Choir of Angels has been following the Archangel because he is God's chosen vessel. February 28, 2023 8:00 AM EST. EHRMAN: The various groups of Christians that people sometimes label gnostic would cover a wide range of views. For not believing in God, will he pay you better? EHRMAN: I do in some ways. Paul, in his earliest letters, affirms that view of the imminent resurrection. Your friends, at time of need, more useful and reliable? EHRMAN: Yeah, that would absolutely be good. They'll be physical. I in fact think God would tell me to fuq off if I worshipped God because of the devil because it would be a complete misunderstanding of God to start with, and complete ignorance about "worship God" to boot. But there's still the issue of death, so it's just simply become more pronounced. I mean, my view is that, you know, people have always been concerned about death, about what happens to them when they die, and so that's why I took on this book in the first place. See How To Advertise. Thomas Jefferson, in an essay titled If God Did Not Exist, it would be necessary to invent Him (1803), claimed that God is the only thing that is required to make a civilized society work. Jefferson did not intend his statement to be ironic. And that's exactly what I think. Nobody except themselves? His books such as "Misquoting Jesus" and "How Jesus Became God" challenge a lot of beliefs and common wisdom. This book is handy for students of French philosophy, as it teaches them to identify the main concepts that come from literature and history. "I think the devil doesn't exist, but man has created him, he has created him in his own image and likeness." - Fyodor Dostoevsky . For countless centuries, many religious people have believed in the existence of the devil. Nourished by our work, quenched by our tears; Answer (1 of 30): The Devil, also known as "The Adversary" and the "Prince/King of Lies", has really only one job if you look through the Bible, and that is to tempt humans into sin, thereby distancing them from God. And then you have group who saying that it's the devil doing it, that in fact, it's the forces of evil. Within the excerpt above Baudelaire primarily employed elle, but English translators have used he instead of her. John Wilkinson published a version in 1836, but the notion is difficult to trace and earlier instances probably exist. That also is the view of Paul, that people would be destroyed if - when Jesus returns. Europe was long desolated by them all; Visit our website terms of use and permissions pages at www.npr.org for further information. And then if you want even more background on Satan's fall or some people . It looks like what - before he was raised up, it looks like he was simply dead, and he was brought back to life temporarily, and he didn't appreciate that (laughter), and so he was upset. Bart Ehrman, thank you again. For Paul, Jesus was going to come back from heaven and bring in God's kingdom here on Earth, and people would be raised from the dead for glorious eternity. Your breath doesn't go anywhere. Why would God not destroy Satan at the cost of many innocent . And so in the Old Testament, there's no idea that your soul goes one place or another because the soul doesn't exist apart from the body. We'll talk more after a break. So they have very much a differentiation between soul and body. He will no longer bring along two witnesses 2 What would become of evil if there was no Grand Master of Evil to orchestrate it? And so they started thinking that it comes at death, and people started assuming then that, in fact, your soul would live on. The life is in the breath. GROSS: You've talked about how belief in the end times led in a circuitous way to belief in heaven and hell. We have climate change and extreme weather and earthquakes and volcanoes. And there are two things that you can say about every one of these people over history who've picked a time. It's a very explicit, kind of gruesome book, and I wonder if you've thought about why it's so graphic. Interestingly, Voltaire maintained a 16-year liaison with a married mother with three children. Richard himself, testified that in those years, like the prodigal son in the Gospel, he wanted. The portraits of your 3 impostors; And so this is what the later Paul has to say, and this is the beginning of the Christian idea of heaven and hell, that you can exist - even though your physical remains are dead, you can exist in the presence of God in heaven. This was an idea that he thought was very important for society. Get our Question of the Week delivered right to your inbox! He was the one who bringing them into it. And once Paul started saying that, his followers really latched onto it because most of Paul's converts were from Greek circles. Dares to reassure them in the path of crime, EHRMAN: That is fair to say (laughter). I probably would have subscribed - I would have subscribed to either the view that God was upset and we needed to repent so that he would relent, or that the devil - it was the devil doing it, and we needed to pray to God for mercy and for him to intervene on our behalf. This text may not be in its final form and may be updated or revised in the future. That way when you criticize them, you are a mile away from them and you have their shoes." Jack Handey r/quotes Kevin Spacey? After death comes judgment ( Heb. So it seems absurd that this "evil one" would make it appear that he didn't exist at all. But Jesus isn't talking about heaven because he doesn't believe - he's a Jew - he doesn't believe in the separation of soul and body. A writing: The Three Impostors was written by an anonymous author. This is FRESH AIR. Nairaland - Copyright 2005 - 2023 Oluwaseun Osewa. Fyodor Dostoyevsky. And in most gnostic religions, the idea is to get out of the shell, to escape the shell. Eager to throw themselves amidst the factions, At age 15, he became a born-again fundamentalist evangelical Christian. He thinks that there's going to be a resurrection of the dead at the end of time. Must lead them in peace to the feet of the common master; There are people today who are saying that the reason of the pandemic is because, you know, one sin or another. Nairaland Forum / Nairaland / General / Religion / What If, The Devil Don't Exist, Will You Still Be A Christian? Our associate producer of digital media is Molly Seavy-Nesper. I think the devil doesn't exist, but man has created him, he has created him in his own image and likeness. if I had (some monetary unit) for every (something), I'd be rich! So their punishment is they would not get the kingdom of God. There will be evidences of God's patience with us . And so I don't - it's not that I think that I believe only rational things and everybody else is irrational. He wasn't one of the disciples. But then people started thinking, well, wait - is that fair? Here are additional selected citations in chronological order. So I wasn't always a pleasant person to be around because I was right and they were wrong, and since they were wrong, they were going to hell. 'It's wonderful how you can turn words,' as Polonius says in Hamlet, laughed Ivan. Well, if we're being rewarded, they're going to be punished. The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist. I mean, you know, a lot of people aren't joking. The angels were created as servants of God, and they were supposed to serve God in obedience. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. So it seems absurd that this "evil one" would make it appear that he didn't exist at all. I'm going to be tortured for 30 trillion years for those 30 years? 504Disclaimer: Every Nairaland member is solely responsible for anything that he/she posts or uploads on Nairaland. Instead, He created the person who became the Devil. Copyright 2020 NPR. If God didnt exist, it would be necessary to invent him. Jesus believed that people would be destroyed when - at the end of time, they'd be annihilated. https://EzineArticles.com/expert/R._R._Stark/79832, 2023 EzineArticlesAll Rights Reserved Worldwide. You turn my words against me. In this work, Voltaire addresses various social issues, including the role of religion in society and the role of government. BART EHRMAN: We're all well. The prettiest trick of the devil is to make us believe he doesnt exist. The body is a cosmic disaster. He was a Greek-speaking Jew. Voltaire was in a constant state of trouble with the authorities for his attacks on the Catholic Church and the government throughout his life. Most people just say, well, look - you know, it's a pandemic, and we better pay attention to our scientists, which is, obviously, the more socially satisfying answer to the question. GROSS: So what do you believe about death now, about what happens after you die? Devil doesn't know? You've also studied the Gnostic Gospels, which were the recently discovered gospels that never became part of the canon. Reply . Roberta Shorrock directs the show. I have to deal with this in my book, where I try to show that, in fact, the Book of Revelation does not describe eternal torment for sinners in the lake of fire. Of course, I'm not going to - I mean, there's no reason to shatter somebody's beliefs, especially if they simply are providing them with hope. He told me he doesn't even know if God exist sometimes and said he has some questions. God created him, but he was an angel first, he went against God and got cast him down from heaven. 7. So for them, there's no resurrection of the dead. Essentially, if God didnt exist, wed have to invent him since we still need a deity to worship. "if everything went perfectly- if his health did not degrade any further, if the weather held, if Burnham completed the other buildings on time, if strikes did not destroy the fair, if the many committees and directors" (118) uses parallel sentence . Answer (1 of 13): In the Abrahamic faiths it is common to believe that God the creator gave mankind and Man free will. Good people have believed me: the evil ones, crushed, The Bible's answer The Bible shows that God did not create the Devil. As such, it could be implied that Pochita is God, and as his vessel, the fiends have been protecting Denji to protect the Chainsaw Devil. To commemorate the occasion, Aaron White of Feel. I hope you'll join us. GROSS: Let's take a break here, and then we'll talk some more. Here it is, in its entirety. We will see poverty clothed and nourished It's not that they're going to live on forever. So what DID Voltaire mean? They're his words, but it isn't implied that this is his belief, "the finest trick of the Devil is to persuade you that he doesn't exist" - Charles Baudelaire, The Brothers Karamazov by Fyodor Dostoyevsky. And so I think - I cannot believe that you can actually say that God is just and merciful and loving - even if he believes in judgment, he is not going to torture you for 30 trillion years and then keep going. A human father is a limited (and fallen) human being, so the comparison is not strictly accurate and can create some misunderstandings. And the most famous of the Gnostic Gospels is Thomas. Such, at least, is the fruit of a useful creed. The consent submitted will only be used for data processing originating from this website. And so they denied the idea of the resurrection of the body. These people began to think that the reason there is suffering in the world is not what the prophets had said, that it - because people sin and God is punishing them; it's because there are forces of evil in the world that are aligned against God and his people who are creating suffering. And in thinking this, as it turns out, the Christians are simply picking up on views that had been around among the Greeks since way back in the time of Plato. Regardless of what you attribute it to, one really cannot deny that people in t. But if we do, it'll be something pleasant like that. He must have love because He is love, but love must be chosen. Don't we need a hideous hell to contrast the beauty of heaven? And I think that's a harmful belief. In 1864 Le Figaro published the tale Le Joueur Gnreux (The Generous Gambler) by Charles Baudelaire. So then, if he DIDN'T exist, we would actually be living exactly the same way, believing in a God that is not there." These works, often composed as polemics or pamphlets, puncture received orthodoxy and show a solid ironic style without overreaching. If the heavens, stripped of his noble imprint, And they get that from several passages in the Book of Revelation. Jefferson did not intend his statement to . GROSS: I'm wondering what you think about when you think about how the number of people who are contracting COVID 19 and how the number of people who are dying keeps growing as we get closer to Passover and Easter, which are very holy times in Judaism and Christianity. 66 Articles, By For Gnostics, the idea of being raised in your body was repulsive. Once again, it's just another idiotic ploy created by two-dimensional dogmatists who didn't think it through very far. If God knew that Satan would rebel, why did He create him? Will your children be more obedient to your voice? Alas, their little exchange of pleasantries was cut short after that: V, who still has his nose buried in his book, tried to grope for a half-empty mug next to him and ended up pouring coffee all over the floor. There have been a few different opinions concerning who made the following statement: "The Devil's greatest trick was convincing the world he doesn't exist." It would be the resurrection of the nation. EHRMAN: Right. Either we live on and we see those we knew before and those we didn't know before, and we spend all of our time being with them, which for him was absolute paradise because Socrates liked nothing better than conversing with people, and so now he could converse with Homer and with all the greats of the Greek past. (SOUNDBITE OF MATT ULERY'S LOOM'S "OVER UNDER OTHER"), GROSS: This is FRESH AIR. And so it appears that the ancient Israelites simply thought that when you died, your body got buried someplace. This meager incident was enough for Nero to jump up from his seat and go into a full "mother hen" mode. God created Lucifer. But did it ever occur to them what life would be like without such a mischievous devil? What Christians refer to as Satan, devil or Lucifer are all personification of natural laws and principles, they see them for what they are in the old testament.. Voltaire is saying, "Let us accept that God exists. - Fyodor Dostoevsky r/quotes "Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. This, though, is not a book that describes what's going to happen to individuals when they die and go to heaven or hell; it's a description of the final judgment of God that somehow is going to be coming to Earth. I mean, I just - no (laughter). if I had (some monetary unit) for every time (something happened), If I knew you were coming, I'd have baked a cake, if Eskimos have N words for snow, X have Y words for Z, if frogs had wheels they wouldn't bump their butts, if frogs had wheels they wouldnt bump their butts, If frogs had wheels, they wouldn't bump their butts, if frogs had wheels, they wouldnt bump their butts, if frogs had wings they wouldn't bump their butts, if frogs had wings they wouldn't bump their butts when they hop, if frogs had wings they wouldnt bump their butts, if frogs had wings, they wouldn't bump their butts, if frogs had wings, they wouldn't bump their butts when they hop, if frogs had wings, they wouldnt bump their butts, if God did not exist it would be necessary to invent Him. 9:27-28) and the fear of it. Life Path 4 and 6 Compatibility: Numerology Deep Dive, Understanding the Spiritual Meaning of Hiccups, 10 Signs You Have a Toxic Daughter in Law, Dream of Your Boyfriend Dying Warning Signs That Your Relationship is in Trouble. And so I really believe that, and I'll probably always believe it. If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him. Truth is we all have free choice; we can freely choose to do good or to do bad. Satan was needed to provoke Adam and Eve into Sin as they were not taking the bait. And if it's not that, he said it would be like a deep sleep. So I - you know, it's not that I wish I believed it so much as I wish that it were true. And what is interesting is Gnostics then claimed that Jesus also denied it. People aren't talking about nuclear weapons anymore, but they probably should be because that's another way this whole thing might end. Let's get back to my interview with Bart Ehrman, author of the new book "Heaven And Hell: A History Of The Afterlife." Justice Antonin Scalia and Keyser Soze agree: the greatest trick the devil could ever pull is convincing the world he didn't exist. This is FRESH AIR. People today, when they read the phrase kingdom of God, they think he's talking about heaven, the place that your soul goes to when you die. He grew up among them like a little wild beast; the shepherds taught, him nothing; on the contrary, by the time he was seven, they were already, sending him out to tend the flocks in the cold and wet, with almost no, clothes and almost nothing to eat. The Wages of Fear - The Seven Deadly Sins and American Pathology, One Man's God Is Another Man's Devil - The Pragmatics Behind The Golden Compass Controversy, God Crushes The Evil Doers And Worshipers Of False Gods. Nairaland / General / Religion / what if, the idea of the gnostic Gospels, which the... Breath leaves the body wish I believed it so much as I I! The shell europe was long desolated by them all ; Visit our website terms of and... 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