That guns modern military counterpart, the 5.56 NATO, has been in continuous use by militaries around the world since the early 1960s. The .35 Rem. It wasn't and isnt a long-range cartridge, but at distances inside of 125 to 150 yards, the .35 Remington surely gets the job done. from a 20" barrel. starting load is also 17.0 grains and the MV 1658 fps. These seemingly small differences added up to a significant difference in power and effectiveness on game between the two cartridges. Which is the more useful cartridge? I shoot the 200 grain Hornady interlock factory loads in mine. Those cartridges fly farther, but if your hunting ground only allows for shots within 100 yards, why put your shoulder through more pain than necessary? Main Image: 3035-5: Marlins model 336 is one of the few rifles available in both .30/30 Winchester and .35 Remington. A .35 Rem. Those traditional lead-core bullets have proved their worth in the field, but its tough to compete with the advancements in bullet-making of the last 20 years. On those gray, moody November days when I am feeling blue I take my Remington Model 141 pump-action rifle in .35 Rem. Included in that have been a whole bunch of deer, hogs and a bear or two. On Wednesday, the Center for Biological Diversity (CBD) sent a notice of intent to sue to the U.S. Forest Service (USFS) for alleged violations of the Endangered Species Act (ESA), due to the hunting of gray wolves in Wyomings Medicine Bow-Routt National Forest. figure of .256 versus the 200-grain .358s S.D. Shaw rifles 24-inch barrel. into the deer woods, and I pine for what could have been. Even when using loads on the upper end of the performance envelope for the cartridge, the .35 Remington still has a relatively slow velocity and low ballistic coefficient. WINCHESTER model 1905 in 35 Cal. This combination offers an affordable, hard-hitting rig which is capable of taking most common game animals, albeit at short range. Jacketed bullet diameter is .351", not Everybody agrees that the .358 Win. Loved by gun guys and rejected by the huddled masses, this is perhaps the most underappreciated cartridge of them all. My first was a Winchester Model 94AE XTR in .30-30 Winchester, that timeless rimmed cartridge that has accounted for innumerable amounts of game. It was not designed for a lever-action rifle. Long and short if it is under 150 yards there's very little difference in killing power between the 35 Rem and 308 Win. The result was the .350 Legend. This new model featured two new cartridges, the .350 Rem. A loyal segment of hunters and shooters still use the cartridge, but most other hunters pass by the .35 Remington in favor of modern cartridges with more impressive ballistics on paper. The 223 Remington has an overall length of 2.26 and uses a 1.76 long case. Its flatter trajectory helps hunters reach across the open country, and I doubt theres a real ranch west of the big river that doesnt have a .30/30 lever-gun behind the kitchen door, if not behind the truck seat. The .35 Remington initially found favor among hunters seeking a good brush bullet and many deer, bear, elk, and even moose have fallen to the .35 Remington over the years. It is believed that Frank Hammer fired the opening burst into Bonnie & Clydes 1934 Ford with a Model 8 in .35. For this reason, the .35 Remington is most popular in the northeast and southeast regions of the United States where shooting ranges are short. of energy at 200 yards, dropping 7.5 inches when using a 100-yard zero. The sad truth is that the active list of current .35-caliber rifles and cartridges is tragically short. With the traditional loads, the .30-30 will drive its 150- and 170-grain bullets to a muzzle velocity of 2400 and 2250 fps respectively, while the .35 Remington launches its 180- and 200-grain bullets at 2100 and 2080 fps. The Big Game Hunting Blog is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to Amazon.com, Amazon.co.uk, Amazon.ca, Amazon.com.au, and other Amazon stores worldwide. Savage Arms has announced the newest model in its series of straight-pull rifles, the Impulse Driven Hunter. Federals Power Shok, for example, pushes a 200-grain bullet 2,080 fps. Curious how the new .360 Buckhammer will be received by the market. It is true that the cartridge has its limitations, but used under the right circumstances, itis an outstanding choice. Winchester and Hornady both offer 200-grain loads at 2475 f.p.s. Due in part to this rounds greater popularity and in part to the R&D surrounding .30-caliber pills, the .30-30 can be loaded with far more advanced projectiles. The company has chambered several rifles in the cartridge including models in bolt-action, pump-action and semi-automatic. While the .35 Remington was extremely popular when first introduced in the early 1900s, the cartridge has fallen out of mainstream use in recent years. The origins of the .35 Whelen are controversial even today. Naturally, this resulted in performance compromises and the .351 WSL is not nearly as powerful as the .35 Remington cartridge offered in the contemporary Model 8 autoloader by Remington. The .358 Norma Mag. The .35 Remington load using the 150-grain Core-Lokt obtains just about the same muzzle velocity, with a bullet having a lower B.C. The .351 WSL is based on a semi-rimmed, straight-sided case Registration on or use of this site constitutes acceptance of our Terms of Service. However, they are high pressure loads and should only be used in modern firearms, such as the Marlin 336, that are in good condition. My mom made the best elk pot roast, Outstanding article. from a 20" Many now consider the .35SL inadequate as a deer round, but it may still be suitable . Mag. Access the newest seasons of MeatEater, save content, and join in discussions with the Crew and others in the MeatEater community. grain jacketed soft point (JSP), round nose bullets. Using the lighter .358-inch diameter bullets weighing 150 to 200 grains, the .35 Remington gave enough power to cleanly take a deer, bear or similar sized animals, without pounding the shooters shoulder to jelly. I have used the .35 Whelen on critters from bobcats to moose. For those interested in wringing out all of the power available in the .35 Remington, there are a couple of other .35 Remington ammunition options besides the standard 200gr soft point loads listed above. This is our first clean sweep in the Caliber Battle series. Originally loaded with a 160-grain bullet, today 150- and 170-grain loads are the most popular, but ammunition loaded with bullets as light as 125 grains and as heavy as 190 grains is available. Mag., and I think thats the only current production rifle in that cartridge. Mag. However, even after 123 years on the market, the .30-30 Winchester remains the king of medium caliber lever guns; it has been in the top ten selling cartridges for Federal Premium to this day, and with millions of rifles out there chambered for the cartridge, that will probably be a fact decades from now. can be loaded with bullets ranging from 125 grains to 220 grains, and the .30-30 with bullets between 100 grains and 190 grains. But bringing down game isnt just about heavy, fast-flying bullets. of energy. It was predictable that the .356 Win. The 600 Magnum suffered from a barrel that was too short at 18 inches. Well played Winchester; we all need to work together. In the eastern United States where black bear and deer are typically hunted in dense timber over bait and from stands, or where theyre rooted out of the dark forest or thickets by savvy woodsmen, the .35 Remington seems to be preferred. Every time I use it I ask myself, Whats not to like? Beats me, but nobody liked it enough to keep it in production. Using a 180 grain JSP bullet, Lyman data shows a starting The 35 Remington also uses a bullet about 18% heavier and with over 35% more frontal surface area (.1007 vs .0745 square inches). The range of bullet weights available (not to mention the diameter of each cartridge) put the .30-30 and .35 Rem. or the .35 Remington Join F&S+ to read exclusive stories by your favorite writers. [ this is not a 35 Remington ] NO SALES to CALIFORINA OR ILLINIOS. In a modern bolt-action rifle, hand loaders can achieve velocities of 2,400 fps with a 200-grain bullet, making the .35 Rem. Chambered in everything from the 22 Long Rifle to the 45/70 Government, theres nothing on the planet a lever gun cannot handle. Join F&S+ to read exclusive stories by your favorite writers. For comparison, a .270 Winchester produces about 17 ft.-lbs. Now, in this comparison, I will freely admit that the .35 Remington is not legal for those areas for which the 350 Legend was designed, as the .35 Remington is a bottle-necked cartridge, but there has been quite a bit of rumbling among those hunters who appreciate the short to mid-range cartridges, about whether or not the switch to the new cartridge is worthwhile. The .30-30 Winchester and .35 Remington wont break any speed recordstheres no doubt about that. Copyright 2023 National Rifle Association, Women On Target Instructional Shooting Clinics, Volunteer At The Great American Outdoor Show, Marion P. 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He gave me 200 trade in on the 35 whelen barrel and the 358 was 295 plus shipping. Likewise, the 200-grain LEVERevolution .35 Remington can sustain 1711 foot-pounds of energy for a 100-yard distance. Winchesters 160-grain Power Max gives very similar performance, though with a bonded-core hollowpoint bullet. The 35 Remington also uses a bullet about 18% heavier and with over 35% more frontal surface area (.1007 vs .0745 square inches). Among the .35 caliber cartridges popular in the United States, the .358 offered a definite step up in performance; the .35 Remingtonthat popular woods rifleis much slower than the .358, and though the .35 Whelen has been among us since 1922, it would remain a wildcat until 1988. It was introduced in the bolt-action Model 70 in which it was trustworthy, but boring. 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I have shot a few critters, including a tough South Texas Nilgai, and have been happy with the performance. Even the 200-grain LEVERevolution .35 Remington load retains 1711 foot-pounds of energy at 100 yards. And, if youre going after elk- or moose-sized game, or are maybe afraid you might have to shoot it out with a brown bear, youll appreciate that bigger and heavier bullet. Admittedly though, I was cheering for the .35 Rem. Hunters like how it hits hard and makes a big hole. That version is in some dispute, with evidence that Whelen himself developed the cartridge or at least worked with Howe on its development. Using the same case head diameter of the .223 Remington at a length of 1.71-inch, the 350 Legend uses a .357-inch diameter bullet, for a combination that is very easy on the shoulder while being effective downrange. was included in that party is a mystery, as it had no Winchester counterpart. Following the sale of Remington Outdoor Company's assets in September 2020, Vista Outdoor purchased Remington Ammunition. Top Brands available; Federal, Hornady, Malaysian, Alexander, Tula, Wolf, Privi Partizan, Gemtech, Aguila, PMC, Selier & Bellot, Magtech, LSK Lapua, Geco. Decades of experience with handguns and holsters have given the author some excellent insights into the most popular designs. Posts: 16,091. Introduced only two years apart, the .223 Remington and the .243 Winchester couldnt have come from more different neighborhoods of the firearms world. One of the oldest and most popular cartridges of all time, the .30-30 Winchester, was released in 1895 and has been bringing down all manner of game ever since. Perhaps thats how it should be, the masses rarely embrace true greatness. Additionally, I recorded an entire podcast episode on this exact subject. The quest for an acceptable .35 has inspired such impotent wastes as the .35 Winchester Self Loader, once labeled a candidate for the title: Worlds Most Useless Center-Fire Rifle Cartridge.. Scoped and out to 350 yards the 308 has it hands down. The .351 WSL is based on a semi-rimmed, straight-sided case 1.380" long that uses small rifle primers. The barrel is a full 22 inches, like it always should have been, but the foolish design with the huge shark fin front sight turned hunters off, and it was dropped. History [ edit] Winchester introduced the .351 SL in the Winchester Model 1907 self-loading rifle as a replacement for the Winchester Model 1905 and the .35 SL. The .30-30 Winchester has the unique claim of being the first cartridge designed to run on both black powder and the revolutionary smokeless powder. The .35SL proved popular at first with the general public as a short-range deer and black bear hunting cartridge, but was soon superseded by the introduction of the more powerful .351SL in the Winchester '07. Mag. On the other hand, the 200-grain LEVERevolution .35 Remington load will drop 17 inches with the same 200-yard zero. The 2019 SHOT Show saw the release of the latest cartridge from Winchester: the 350 Legend. Of the four rifle cartridges introduced with the Remington Model 8, the .35 Remington was by far the most popular and is the only one still in production. Well probably never really know for sure, but it is certainly possible that he used a Remington Model 8 in the famous shootout, though it very likely did not have an extended magazine (as alleged by some sources). The .30/30 Winchester was introduced in 1895 for Winchesters model 1894 lever-action rifle and is unquestionably the most popular cartridge ever chambered in a lever-gun. They include both the AccuBond and the Partition 225-grain bullets with a muzzle velocity of 2800 f.p.s. Both conceived in the early 20th century, the .270 Winchester and the .30-06 Springfield are ballistically similar, easy to find, and chambered in a wide variety of rifles. Of the two, which serves the hunter better? The .351 SL cartridge used an unusual bullet diameter of .351 instead of the .357 or .358 more commonly used in .35-caliber rifle cartridges. The .35 Remington uses the 180- and 200-grain .358caliber bullets, and while light-for-caliber, they are effective at the ranges a .35 Remington is used, which is usually inside of 150 yards. Sierra Game King from my .35 Whelen, he ran 30-40yds . Winchester is among the leaders in the entire ammunition industry in terms of high-volume production of both .223 Rem. remains in production. with a similar 180-grain bullet. With the best loads, my Remington Model 700 is one-hole accurate. 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The maximum average pressure should not exceed 39,000 psi. The rim diameter is .407" On the other hand, if youre looking for a lever-gun cartridge for big game hunting, survival, and even self-defensesort of a general-purpose riflethe .30/30 is the way to go. Nosler has three loads in its Custom line. in its NoslerCustom line with a 225-grain Partition bullet at 2550 f.p.s. Note: A longer version of this article can be found on the Rifle Cartridge Page. Remington introduced the .35 about 10 years later in 1906 alongside their Model 8 semi-automatic rifle. But trajectory is a foolish way to compare cartridges typically used at distances inside 150 yards. Mag. For .30-30, the same search produced 5,841 results. Winchester claims the cartridge has 20 percent more penetration and 20 percent less recoil than the .243 Winchester, yet that comparison though it may be perfectly viable didnt exactly translate well to me. 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